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How to know when the Pres or Veep will be flying in

The FAA publishes Notices To Airmen (NOTAMs). Among other things, these NOTAMs indicate the times and locations where airspace will be restricted due to a "VIP" in the area. If you want to know what time Bush and Dick are coming, the FAA will tell you...

The FAA publishes Notices To Airmen (NOTAMs). Among other things, these NOTAMs indicate the times and locations where airspace will be restricted due to a "VIP" in the area. If you want to know what time Bush and Dick are coming, the FAA will tell you...

Visit http://www.faa.gov/ for all the latest NOTAMs.

At the moment, this is the link that will tell you what you need to know. It's a page that searches a radius around an airport for NOTAMs. To find Bush and Dick in Portland, type "PDX" as the Location Identifier, and click "View NOTAMs".

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/geo/radiusForm.html

If a "VIP" (Very Ignorant Person) is visiting Portland in the near future, you will find in the resulting mess of text the following kinds of entries:

!FDC 4/0285 ZSE WA..FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS SEATTLE, WASHINGTON, JANUARY 13, 2004 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14, SECTION 91.141 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING AREAS UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC. 3.0 NMR BLW 3000 FEET AGL OF 473148N/1221807W OR THE SEA344005.7 FROM 0401131840 (1040 LOCAL 01/13/04) UNTIL 0401131930 (1130 LOCAL 01/13/04). 3.0 NMR BLW 3000 FEET AGL OF 473646N/1222034W OR THE SEA333010.7 FROM 0401131905 (1105 LOCAL 01/13/04) UNTIL 0401132210 (1410 LOCAL 01/13/04). 3.0 NMR BLW 3000 FEET AGL OF 473148N/1221807W OR THE SEA344005.7 FROM 0401132145 (1345 LOCAL 01/13/04) UNTIL 0401132235 (1435 LOCAL 01/13/04).

and

!FDC 4/0280 ZSE OR.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PORTLAND, OREGON, JANUARY 13, 2004 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14, SECTION 91.141 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING AREA(S) UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC. 3.0 NMR BLW 3000 FEET AGL OF 453450N/1223502W OR THE PDX110001.2 FROM 0401132225 (1425 LOCAL 01/13/04) UNTIL 0401140330 (1930 LOCAL 01/13/04),

The key words here are "Title 14, Section 91.141", which is a reference to aeronautical law. Specifically, the bit that says:

91.141 Flight restrictions in the proximity of the Presidential and other parties.

No person may operate an aircraft over or in the vicinity of any area to be visited or traveled by the President, the Vice President, or other public figures contrary to the restrictions established by the Administrator and published in a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM).

So, it looks like somebody (probably Cheney) will be arriving at or after 2:25PM on the 13th, and leaving before or at 7:30PM on the 13th. Cool, huh?

Glad You're on Our Side 12.Jan.2004 15:04

Lars the Infidel

To Aviation Buff:
this is exactly the kind of information we all need in preparation for tomorrow's Lucky 13th visit by the Creep VEEP.

Well done and see ya on the barricades!

Another site that's a little more readable 12.Jan.2004 15:31

Susan

Also shows Seattle times.

 http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#or

thanks 12.Jan.2004 15:55

agitated agitator

Aviation buff this is very powerful information. Thanks a lot.

remember 12.Jan.2004 16:09

rem

Law enforcement reads Indymedia (i know from a temp job i worked once)

Now that it's out, make the most of it but it may not be available anymore in a few months.

law enforcement and public information 12.Jan.2004 17:31

me

Sorry, but worrying about law enforcement reading this here is silliness. This same information was reported by the AP and KATU, at least. (No, I'm not going to type in the link for you, that is left as an exercise for the reader.)

They aren't going to make this information disappear, it is _intended_ to be public information.

Don't worry about this information disappearing... 13.Jan.2004 00:43

Aviation buff

Until they take away an individual's right to obtain a private pilot's license, this information must be publicly available to all private pilots. They can't hide or confuse this data, or they risk having pilots accidentily stray into presidential airspace. Shooting down little propellor planes makes for very bad press. Especially when a more-than-average number of pilots are well-meaning Republicans with families and good jobs.

Oh, and borrow an aviation radio... 13.Jan.2004 00:54

Aviation buff

You can get up to an hour's advance warning of when a plane's wheels hit the ground by listening to the "center" radio frequency with an aviation radio. Seattle center has several frequencies you can tune into, listed on this page:

 http://www.seaartcc.net/zse/airports/maphome.htm

Specifically, try this chart:

 http://www.seaartcc.net/zse/airports/rwsectors.htm

You probably won't hear Air Force One (I suspect they use military frequencies, which only SOME aviation radios receive), but you'll hear the center controller talking back on one or more of these frequencies when the plane is hundreds of miles away and starting its decent from cruise altitude.

Good luck mounting a good protest. I realize there's nothing we can do to change Cheney's behavior, but perhaps others will hear what you have to say and vote the bastard out!

And where is Cheney going? 13.Jan.2004 01:07

Aviation buff

Take the coordinates given in the NOTAM and key them into the "Advanced Find -> Geographic Coordinate Search" on Microsoft's Terraserver satellite mapping Web site:

 http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/geographic.aspx

The coordinates are in degrees, minutes, and seconds. For instance, in the Portland NOTAM, it says pilots must remain three nautical miles and 3000 feet above the coordinates "453450N/1223502W". So that's 45 degrees, 34 minutes, 50 seconds North, and 122 degrees, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds West. Key that stuff into the geographic search and you'll get a map that's zoomed too far out to see much. Switch to 4-meter resolution and view the "Topo Map", and you'll get a good ballpark on where Cheney will be tomorrow. Looks like inner NE Portland, around U of P and Overlook Park.