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Some people spout off without checking facts here at portland.indymedia

The idea that there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress on trade issues is ludicrous at this point in time. It is very easy go to such web-sites as thomas.gov, maintained by the Library of Congress, and verify, for example, the vote on "The United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act" (H.R. 2739). I can understand that people are too busy (or too lazy) to want to dig into the facts, but then why are they so eager to fill in the missing facts with misinformation?
In commenting upon my comment on "Missed Opportunities: the Way Progressives Lose", pdx.indymedia, 28 Mar. 2004 ---

"not mired in denial" challenged me to

"Name 1 instance of the democrats being opposed or even critical of any policy of corporate globalization or privatization."

I post this as an original commentary because it so excellently points out something of importance beyond the particular issues discussed as to the "Missed Opportunities" posting --- namely, how people post comments without doing their home work, thus creating a false impression of reality and contributing to the misinformation that gluts our minds and the corporate media. The suggestion that I could not easily find many Democrats opposed and critical of corporate globalization and privatization is ludicrously ill-informed. The idea that there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress is simply false at this point in time. It is very easy to go to such web-sites as thomas.gov, maintained by the Library of Congress, and verify on all the recent trade agreement votes a substantial and significant difference between the parties, for example, as follows:

The United States-Singapore Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act (H.R. 2739) was introduced in the House by its sponsor, Tom DeLay (Republican, Texas) on July 15, 2003, (108th Cong., 1st Session). It was enacted into law on September 3, 2003, as a result of the vote taken on July 24, 2003, Roll Call No. 432 for 108th Cong., 1st Session. The bill passed with an overwhelming majority of Republican votes (197 to 27) and with a majority of Democrats (127 to 75) voting against. True, we would prefer to have seen, for example, Democrats voting maybe 182 to 20 against --- but, thanks in part to the anti-Democrat propaganda by people like "not mired in denial," the Congress is now so firmly in the tight control of the neocon Republicans that even that near party-line vote by the Democrats would have been insufficient to have defeated the bill. (It still would have failed 217 to 210, with the same 7 not voting.)

In the Senate, the House bill was referred to the Senate and went to a vote on July 31, 2004, and passed by 65 to 32 majority, with 3 not voting. Of the 32 voting NAY, 7 were Republicans and 1 (Jeffords of Vermont) was an Independent, while 24 were Democrats --- including notably Sen. John Edwards who later campaigned against Kerry primarily on the basis of his (Edwards') opposition to so-called "free" trade as represented in the Singapore agreement and similar agreements. Sen. John Kerry actually was one of the three senators recorded as not voting on the Singapore Agreement (that is not voting at all, neither AYE nor NAY). Other note-worthy votes: Smith of Oregon, of course, voted for it, while Wyden voted against it. Among the Democrats voting against: Akaka and Inouye of Hawaii, Biden of Delaware, Boxer and Feinstein of California, both Byrd and Rockefeller of West Virginia, Dodd of Connecticutt, Feingold of Wisconsin, Harkin of Iowa, Hollings of South Carolina, Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts. It is also of interest that both Republican senators from Idaho, as well as both Republican senators from Alaska, voted against.

Without all those details considered, the fact remains that it would have been very easy for "not mired in denial" to have done some homework to discover that the idea sought to be projected by "Name 1 instance of the democrats being opposed or even critical of any policy of corporate globalization or privatization" was nothing but hollow argument for the sake of argument and was demonstrably false. Maybe the comment should have been posted as by "not mired in reality"?

Furthermore, the record reveals interesting information that could and should be used to target the minority of Democrats who fall short of a minimal standard. In the case of the Singapore Trade Agreement vote, you hardly need to check the record to know that the lone Republican representing Oregon in the House (Walden, representing Eastern Oregon) voted for the trade agreement. David Wu and Peter DeFazio voted against it, of course. But what is of great interest is the fact that Earl Blumenauer and Darlene Hooley voted FOR the trade agreement ! Gee, do you think maybe we could TARGET those two Democrats rather than running down ALL Democrats? Maybe it would be a good idea to really concentrate on electing Greens specifically to replace, of course, Walden, but also Blumenauer and Hooley ! All I am asking for is that people try a little thinking. A little common sense --- instead of cock-sure prejudice and endless argument without any reference to actual facts.

Finally, I would like to comment once again how we tend to over-emphasize the votes of the leading contenders for the presidential nominations in the major parties. Why do we that? Isn't it obvious that the focus on presidential contenders discounts and prevents effective Congressional action, limiting the power of the Congress and playing into the god-kind-president delusional system? The House of Representatives, in particular, was intended by the "Founding Fathers" as the institution that would naturally belong to the people. How have we lost that? How can we gain it back? How did the Republicans gain a majority in both the House and the Senate? Why do people blame the Democrats for what happens after they have elected Republicans to control their Federal and State legislatures? Is it really so complicated? Does anybody care?
NO, NOBODY CARES 29.Mar.2004 02:38

about such One-Party-Corporate-Politics Nitpicking.

want to have "long, considered debates" about the espoused "differences" between Democrats and Republicans, "politics as possible"?

save it for democratic underground.

'politics as possible's contribution to Portland IMC
'politics as possible's contribution to Portland IMC

I tried to give you facts 29.Mar.2004 03:17

but nobody cares

and all I got back was "SPAM". Okay, let's descend to that level, so here goes:

ALL HAIL "RALPH THE GREAT" --- THE NEXT GOD-KING-PRESIDENT OF SUPERAMERICA ! ! !

'but nobody cares' 29.Mar.2004 03:28

Kerry Cares.

all Hail Skull & Bones - the Next God-King President of Superamerica!

EVEN IF YOU *****DON'T VOTE***** ---- YOU ***STILL GET*** SKULL & BONES

spam vs. spam-lite 29.Mar.2004 09:08

empire slayer

oh great, now our newswire is being filled by competing spam. first we get a democratic party apologist trying to convince us that there is a difference between the skulls and bones that kerry plays with and those that bush eats. and then that article gets spammed by a nader rah rah. wow, how wonderful it might be to one day have a real choice.

I appreciate this article 29.Mar.2004 09:09

toblerone

It is true that on a national level distinctions between the agendas of the Democratic and Republican party platforms have diminished (especially with the Democratic Leadership Council in control).

But the national level is just a reflection of the constituency of the Democratic Party at all levels. If progressives in the U.S. eschew becoming involved in the traditional two party system, neither party will represent their views. If a groundswell of progressives become involved in their local Democratic Parties, first on municipal/county levels, and then becoming involved at the state level, there could be a dramatic shift in overall ideology. You don't genuinely believe that the Republican party just changed overnight from a relatively moderate party on social issues to a hotbed of Christian fundamentalism, do you? The Chrisitan Coalition put a lot of time and effort over several years to place their mark on the Republican party, and they succeeded (with Bush perhaps being the poster boy of religious conservatism in office). There is no reason a concerted effort on the part of progressives couldn't do the same if we were willing to put our bodies and money where our mouth is.

Obviously, corporate domination is not something that can easily be checked. I do not actually believe that even a greatly reformed Democratic party would address this problem, nor would it be immune from corporate influence. But I do believe that even an imperfect democracy is better than our current situation, and better, too, than a violent uprising/revolution which might overthrow corporate control of society (at least for a while) but would probably result in the same destructive patterns of greed and destruction.

I think change does need to occur, and that reform is an incomplete solution. But I believe that change cannot outpace the rate of social evolution. Our job is to nurture that evolution. And we cannot foster that evolution unless we meet the people where they are -- on the streets, in schools, and at the voting booth.

p.s. I am not against the idea of the emergence of third parties. But I believe the structure of our government, with adverserial winner takes all elections, currently does not result in favorable outcomes when two progressives run against a single conservative. In my state of Virginia, we frequently have uncontested races for the House of Representatives. Uncontested races are where third party candidates could really shine, in my opinion. I voted for Nader in 2000, but I do not believe, as some have expressed, that having a third party is more important than getting progressive (or even mildly moderate) Democrats elected. Like the author of this piece, I see genuine differences between the two parties on the state legislature and congressional level. Honestly, the current presidential election candidates do suck. But I agree with what I have read elsewhere recently (can't remember where). Paraphrasing: "Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil....but it is voting for the LESSER of the two evils." The U.S. is probably not going to erupt in to massive civil disobedience or revolution, even if Bush gets much much worse. So I do not buy the argument that electing Kerry simply postpones real change. (Apologies for the long post-script).

One thing here 29.Mar.2004 10:36

randy d.

One thing the pro Nader forces never talk about is whether there is a difference between Sen Kerry and George Bush when it comes to Reproductive Freedom or the environment.

Let's have a dicussion. Just who do you think is going to do MORE toward maintaining the right for a women to choose??? From Santa Cruz to Seattle there are not enough tree sitters to stop the forrest destruction Bush invisions after the election.

A couple of weeks ago I listened to Attorney Kafoury discuss the Nader candidacy on KBOO. And it struck me that Mr. Kafoury as a result of being a good attorney, does not live from paycheck to paycheck, does not have to worry about the disappearing Oregon Health Plan. And God forbid, someone in his family needed an abortion, they could probably afford to travel where necessary to obtain one.

Now I have already seen my income halved,and I may very well someday need Social Security someday. I don't have the luxury of politically correct voting. I must vote for my own survival.

So I will be voting for Kerry. Because face it. We do not have a parlimentary system. We don't have instant runoff voting. It will be either Kerry or Bush. Does this mean I will have to protest against some of Kerry's policies? You betcha.

But in the mean time I will be standing outside your Nader nominating convention next Monday. I will be protesting. I hope you can respect that! And if anyone feels as I do Please join me there.

you'll be protesting democracy? 29.Mar.2004 11:17

aghast

You can count me out on that one.

I appreciate this post too 29.Mar.2004 11:25

reader

Sometimes I forget just how delusional people can really be.

Using a trade bill that could not have been passed without support of the democrats as evidence that democrats are opposed to "free-trade"?

Simply amazing.

As for targetting the democrats that didn't vote against the bill I guess that includes Kerry.

to the Clueless 29.Mar.2004 11:27

clued in

"does not live from paycheck to paycheck, does not have to worry about the disappearing Oregon Health Plan. And God forbid, someone in his family needed an abortion, they could probably afford to travel where necessary to obtain one."

--you think John Kerry  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/283773.shtml - let alone Bush - cares about "paychecks" , health plans  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/281898.shtml , or women's ability to obtain abortions?

you're so vastly deluded.

those are small potatoes.

Kerry - and Bush - have a lot more pressing things on their agendas. and so does U.S. corporate media.

you think the American citizens most concerned about these particular issues are Constitutionally or electorally  http://www.verifiedvoting.org empowered to keep Kerry (voted for USA Patriot), Bush, etc. held accountable for them (the same way US citizens called and wrote their Congressional representatives 10-to-1 *against* the Iraq war resolution)?

well, c'mon let's see it.

the above issues are dwarfed in comparison to what the elites have in store for this country, and this planet.

good luck to all the pathetic, mental-midget "lesser of two evils" limousine liberals on their little oxygen-tent discussion thread here.

Nader 29.Mar.2004 11:47

George Bender

The most important issues in this country are economic, not abortion or the environment. Working-class people either can't get jobs or they get jobs that don't pay enough to live on. Inequality has been increasing for 30 years. We are tired of being screwed. Kerry's recently announced plan is to give more tax cuts to corporations -- corporate welfare. Yeah, that'll work.

Meanwhile Democrats have worked with Republicans to trash the safety net that working-class people depend on, because we have no job security. Clinton signed the so-called Welfare Reform Act, an attack on poor people. Democrats in the Oregon legislature voted for the automatic cuts to human services that will kick 50,000 people, including myself, off the Oregon Health Plan at the end of July. Hello?

The best way to judge what a politican will do if elected is to look at his record. Kerry voted for Nafta, the Welfare Reform Act, the Patriot Act and the invasion of Iraq. He favors a "muscular" foreign policy, a continued occupation of Iraq, a high military budget, 40,000 more troops, tax cuts for the middle class. I haven't seen any signs of his backing off on his support for "free" trade that helps American corporations to control other countries. If Kerry is in any sense a progressive I can't see it. He seems to be a conservative Democrat in the modern tradition of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Just another corporate asskisser.

"Politics as possible" keeps arguing, at great length, in favor of Kerry, then tells us we shouldn't focus on the presidential election. There seems to be a disconnect there. I agree that we should also be looking at other races, but the presidency is the most powerful office in the country, and we cannot ignore it. Democrats want us to shut up and go away. I'm not willing to do that.

As for reforming the Democratic party, a lot of activists tried in the primaries. Their candidates, Dean and Kucinich, were rejected by the primary voters. So now it's time for Nader.

The next task is to get Nader on the Oregon ballot. To do that we need to get 1,000 registered voters together in one place at the same time. Join us on April 5, 6 p.m., Roseland Theater, 8 NW 6th Ave. It's free. If you're not already registered to vote you can register there.

 http://naderoregon.org/

Reposted comment from another thread 29.Mar.2004 11:50

couldn't have said it better myself

the democans are all all scared of Ralph; and they should be!!! 29.Mar.2004 07:52 ----------------
mnj

It is time to begin the attack against the ignorant imbecile American. The ones that will vote for Bush no matter are the true enemies of this country because even when faced with truth, they will accuse and recourse to pseudo-patriotism and raise their no longer fearful threat of violence and cry for the execution of the offender - the person who brings truth to the discussion. These neanderthals are to be eliminated NOW from the rolls of voters and of the civilized world and are to be placed in grade school seated next to their grandchildren so that they can be coached over the next six years back to something more proximate to reality.

It is these moronic imbeciles that scare the next lowest infrahumans on the scale - the vote for Kerry bunch - to attack the only real choices for pulling the US out of the hellhole that it has mired itself in after the Bush coup d'etat and especially after his attack against us on 9/11.


To:clued in 29.Mar.2004 12:05

randy d

re:you think John Kerry let alone Bush - cares about "paychecks" , health plans , or women's ability to obtain abortions?

I did not see George Bush marching with the striking workers at Safeway. In fact CEO Steven Burd of Safeway is a Bush Pioneer. Only Kerry and Kucinich tooked the time to express solidarity with the UFCW.

There is no possible way that Nader can win. The numbers aren't there. like I said WE DON"T HAVE instant runoff voting. We have a F**ked up system that we have to manipulate to WIN. Just the way the neo-con/religious right have taken over the GOP.

Show me a scenario that gives any posiblity of Nader winning. Third party doesn't work unless you have a DEMOCRACY. If we had a DEMOCRACY in the US we would today have a center-left government. But the founding fathers gave us a Republic.(For more info on why it is the way it is see Howard Zinn Peoples' history of the united states)

To "aghast" why is it that when Bush comes to town and people take to the streets we shout "This is what democracy looks like" But when Nader comes and I take it to the street I am "protesting democracy" ad you put it?

'empire slayer' 29.Mar.2004 12:15

skeptic lite

"and then that article gets spammed by a nader rah rah. wow, how wonderful it might be to one day have a real choice."

--uuuhhh, the Naderites are not spammers. especially compared to the multimillion-dollar corporate sponsored Democrat and Republican party machines. besides, the 'SPAM' post said nothing about Nader - only had a link to his Oregon site. "real choice" - you gonna run, 'empire slayer'? go for it! ;-)

I think most Nader supporters - including Ralph himself - are pretty realistically aware of the fact that he won't actually 'win' the Presidency this year.

but neither will Bush, or Kerry. ('win', that is. and Bush didn't 'win' in 2000 either.)

the whole process of Presidential elections in this country is a preordained, orchestrated farce - between two near-identical corporate parties and their candidates (this year - totally coincidentally - between two Multimillionaire Skull & Bones members; how ever did that happen . . . ?) . the current White House officeholder was not even elected, but appointed there by corrupt U.S. Supreme Court decision.

in the face of this - even though their White House candidate probably won't get there - I think it's important to support Nader at this stage. (and he isn't even running as a Green this time.)

because in terms of *candidates* for President, there are no others speaking to pertinent issues.

just look at the sum of Americans who don't even vote anymore, due to a combination of futility with the One-Party Corporate system, ignorance, and U.S. corporate media brainwashing and blindsiding of news and significant issues.

"how wonderful it might be to one day have a real choice."

--yes, indeed 'empire slayer'. and it doesn't even start with any particular Presidential candidate, but here:


pathetic 29.Mar.2004 12:23

aghast

"But when Nader comes and I take it to the street I am "protesting democracy" ad you put it?"

If you can't understand why trying to stop a candidate from getting on the ballot and stopping people from voting the way the choose is anti-democratic than you truly do not understand democracy. If the democrats want democracy they should support Nader getting on the ballot and tell people why they will vote for Kerry anyway. That would be in the spirit of democracy, which is why I won't hold my breath waiting for it from the democrats.

To:George Bender 29.Mar.2004 12:31

randy d

RE: 'The most important issues in this country are economic, not abortion or the environment. Working-class people either can't get jobs or they get jobs that don't pay enough to live on.'

Hate to say this but....Nader's labor plank is horrible. He sued his own employees when they tried to unionize, they were unionizing because he is notorious for paying way below market value.


Ralph talks big about democracy and even unions. But when his own workers at one of his magazines, Multinational Monitor, got fed up with cruel working conditions and started agitating for a union of their own, Nader busted the union with all of the hardball techniques used by corporate owners across America. Workers at Public Citizen, another Nader group, also tried to form a union because of 60 to 80 hour work weeks, salaries that ranged from $13,000 down, and other difficult working conditions and were blocked by Nader, who remains unapologetic to this day.
Nader says "I don't think there is a role for unions in small nonprofit 'cause' organizations any more than ... within a monastery or within a union."

When ringleader Tim Shorrock filed the union recognition papers, Nader immediately transferred ownership in the Multinational Monitor to close friends who ran an organization ("Essential Information") that Nader had set up. When Shorrock showed up for work the next day, he had been fired, the locks were changed, and management called the police to charge him with theft (of his own work papers.) That charge was thrown out of court, but management fired the two supportive editors and sued the three of them for $1.2 million, agreeing to drop the intimidation suit only when they dropped their NLRB complaint. All of these action are straight from the hardball anti-union playbook, and Nader makes no apology.

According to Nader, "Public interest groups are like crusades... you can't have work rules, or 9 to 5." Shorrock, with his "union ploy," became an "adversary" according to Nader. "Anything that is commercial, is unionizable," but small public interest organizations "would go broke in a month," Nader says, if they paid union wages, offered union benefits and operated according to standard work rules, such as the eight-hour day. Remember that Nader's well-funded organizations were amassing tons of extra money that Ralph has been playing the stock market with during all these events.

Anti Labor Chapter Surfaces in Nader's Past ", by Heather Szerlag, Pacifica Radio News, October 31, 2000 (starting at 10:45 into the half hour broadcast - slide your RealAudio player forward to that point.)

"Union Buster? The NADER?", by Nick Mamatas, Greenwich Village Gazette, Vol. 5, #44, September 15, 2000

"1.75 Cheers For Ralph", Left Business Observer, October, 1996 (see the section "Ralph As Boss")

"Nader Is A Union Buster" (email), by Tim Shorrock (one of the fired workers), The Sixties-L Listserv, June 27, 2000

"Editors Claim Firing By Nader Based on Unionization Attempt," by Peter Perl, Washington Post, June 28, 1984 pB3

WHERE and WHEN, 'randy d' ? 29.Mar.2004 12:34

clued in

"I did not see George Bush marching with the striking workers at Safeway. In fact CEO Steven Burd of Safeway is a Bush Pioneer. Only Kerry and Kucinich tooked the time to express solidarity with the UFCW."

--Kucinich's credentials on the issue have already been established. he was there marching with them.

But WHERE was Kerry? you saw him there? precisely how did he - personal Heinz Ketchup fortune worth up to $850 million, and Senatorial food industry lobbyist  http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.asp?Ind=N01&cycle=2004&recipdetail=s&Mem=Y&sortorder=U - "express solidarity" with the UFCW?

"There is no possible way that Nader can win. Show me a scenario that gives any posiblity [sic] of Nader winning."

--see the above post by 'skeptic lite' (and as regards 'win' for _any_ candidate - did Bush 'win' 2000?). show me the same scenario for Kucinich.

"Third party doesn't work unless you have a DEMOCRACY. If we had a DEMOCRACY in the US we would today have a center-left government. But the founding fathers gave us a Republic.(For more info on why it is the way it is see Howard Zinn Peoples' history of the united states)"

--If, if, if . . . first of all, it has never been a "DEMOCRACY". it's a P_L_U_T_O_C_R_A_C_Y  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/08/270506.shtml

I totally agree with Zinn's analysis and recommendations. but it'll take a helluva lot more than your "center-left government" to change things, especially when the current occupant of the Whitey House wasn't even elected to there.

to start with, we need to STOP the encroachment of electronic voting machines which are hackable and unverifiable. they've already been given a trial run in pResidential Selection 2000  http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Thompson_Diebold-2000-Fraud.htm  http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00187.htm , shaving 16,000 votes off Gore's totals in Volusia County, Florida. Kerry voted **IN FAVOR OF** the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) implementing electronic voting machines. THIS is THE most urgent issue facing American democracy today:


I AGREE with Ralph's own organizations' Union stance 29.Mar.2004 12:49

former nonprofit groups employee

"According to Nader, "Public interest groups are like crusades... you can't have work rules, or 9 to 5.""

--agreed 100%, it's true.

I worked for environmental and social justice groups including PIRGs for several years. not as a manager either - as a grassroots, door-to-door fundraiser.

already made a long discussion comment about this last fall on Portland IMC. activist work, by its very definition, is unrewarding and not a living, family-supporting wage for a lifetime. If you need a living wage, you need to find another job or career - as I eventually did (much as I love and still support progressive grassroots direct activism whenever able to).

working for nonprofit activist groups e.g. the PIRGs is not comparable to grocery workers or any other group of citizens trying to earn a living wage. at a certain point, the infrastructure and cost of keeping activists wages / benefits up, etc. to the organization begins to overtake and destroy its actual goals and funding.

Ralph's stance on the unions in his own progressive activist organizations is not pertinent, comparable, or relevant to the labor issues facing the industrial and service employees of America.

and as far as the gratuitous, totally unsubstantiated:

"Remember that Nader's well-funded [you mean, as "well funded" as the Carlyle Group or PNAC???????????????] organizations were amassing tons [?!?] of extra money that Ralph has been playing the stock market with during all these events"

. . . well, you can chalk that up to the Ralph-bashing motivations of 'randy d' and the author of his particular spam-reference.

To clued in 29.Mar.2004 13:13

randy d

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 26, 2004
CONTACT:

 press@ufcw.org



FIGHTING FOR AMERICA—FIGHTING FOR AMERICA'S HEALTH CARE

JOHN KERRY JOINS STRIKING SUPERMARKET WORKERS ON THE PICKET LINE

Senator John Kerry will be on the picket line with UFCW members today at 1:00 p.m. at the Vons store at 710 Broadway (Lincoln & Broadway) in Santa Monica, California to highlight his commitment to national health care reform.

Access to affordable family health benefits is the issue that forced 70,000 members of the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) on strike against Safeway/Vons, Ralphs/Kroger and Albertsons for more than 5 months. The Southern California supermarket strike has sounded the alarm to America that our health care system is in crisis and that all workers are at risk of losing benefits.

Striking Vons worker Cathi Shafer said, "I'm proud to have John Kerry join our picket line today because he is committed to the principle that health care is a right---that if you work hard, you've earned the right to health care. This fight is about our future. We are not going to give up on our future. And John Kerry is not going to give up on the future for working families."

Melissa Larson has been walking the picket line with her husband said, "John Kerry put his life on the line for his country. He wasn't afraid to fight for America. He will fight for affordable health care for America's working families." John Kerry will call the striking workers American heroes for their courage and commitment to hold the line for America's health care.

Senator Kerry was endorsed by the UFCW and the AFL-CIO last week for his commitment to worker issues like health care. UFCW members have made tremendous personal sacrifices during the 19-week battle, relying on food banks to feed their families, applying to hardship funds to keep a roof over their heads and supporting one another to keep picket lines strong. Supporters from across the country have poured millions of dollars in donations to the striking supermarket workers and mobilized thousands of supporters to actions at Safeway and Albertsons stores across the country.

###
The UFCW represents 1.4 million members at the nation's major supermarket, food processing and meatpacking companies. UFCW members also work in the health care, garment, chemical, distillery and retail industries.

 http://www.ufcw.org/press_room/index.cfm?pressReleaseID=81

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate, U.S. Senator John Kerry (D-Ma), hugs United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW) organizer David Dunphy (L) as he visits striking California grocery store employees, including striking worker Maria Patris (R), on their picket line outside a Vons Supermarket in Santa Monica, California February 26, 2004. Kerry is campaigning in California as he continues his 'Jobs Tour' of the Super Tuesday battleground states. REUTERS/Jim Bourg US ELECTION
Reuters - Feb 26 2:52 PM

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (D-Ma) talks with striking California grocery store employee Maria Patris (R) as he visits a United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW) picket line to show his support for the workers outside a Vons Supermarket in Santa Monica, California February 26, 2004. Kerry is campaigning in California as he continues his 'Jobs Tour' of the Super Tuesday battleground states. REUTERS/Jim Bourg US ELECTION
Reuters - Feb 26 2:56 PM

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'randy d' - 29.Mar.2004 13:20

thanks for the campaign spam

and Kucinich has been marching with hotel workers and many others beside UCFW since last year.

you'll notice the DATE on this press release: February 26, 2004

*after* Kerry had effectively sealed up the Democratic primaries and nomination.

too little, too late.

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the issues 29.Mar.2004 14:09

deva

Of course there is some difference between democrats and republicans... A better question is, is it enough of a difference to matter?

People can argue all day about this point, and both sides are correct in some sense... yes, there is a difference, and yes they are similar enough that the democrats are not going to wok with any sincerity to get us all out of the dire mess we are in.

Also while in some sense economic issues are important in this country, I will argue that catastrophic environmental change is a far greater concern.

The days of economic growth are basically over - now, one year, ten years, whatever, it is over. Humanity has grown to the point where resources essential to continue the current path are dwindling and the environmental impact is enough that we may have already precipitated changes that will cause massive upheaval

So go ahead and vote for who you want to, but at this point, there is no assurance that the vote you cast will not end up as a tally for a different candidate. Even if it is all tallied correctly (unlikely) and Kerry were to win, that will mean so very little to the critical issues of our times.

Only an aroused citizenry, acting above political concern and partisan politics has the capacity to effect the changes that are needed at this time in herstory. When that happens, then the votes will take care of themselves.

Infomercial for Electronic Voting Machines 29.Mar.2004 14:20

John Kerry

thanks to me, YOU TOO can have the RNC-owned Diebold and ES & S electronic vote fraud in YOUR COMMUNITY!

Help America Vote Act
 http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00238
Kerry - Yea

mwhahahhaha, a sweet little endorsement from my buddy Josef Stalin:

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

 http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/09/271736.shtml
The voting machines are simply the final nail in the people's coffin. The comatose electorate rests silently as the hammer of authoritarianism falls.

and finally, a little humor:  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280866.shtml


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Good government 29.Mar.2004 23:55

Dio

'politics as possible' said, "we tend to over-emphasize the votes of the leading contenders".

'deva' said, "there is some difference ... is it enough ... People can argue all day ... partisan politics"

They have colonized our minds. We believe we need to find the right leader (provided by them) to follow. We believe there is some point to squabbling over the number of bureaucrats or guerrillas who can dance on the point of an issue (provided by them).

Only slaves search for the most generous master.

Aroused citizens take care of themselves and their government obeys.