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seems like cops are going crazy everywhere in the

and not just here in Portland alone. Here is a story I found on one of my
Yahoo! Groups today. It tells volumns as to the POLICE STATE mentality that
has gotten a fine grip on this country. We need to ALL work together to
loosen that grip, even if we have to smash their hands to do it!
> Here is a good one for you all to hear.
> I heard on the radio today that the police had suspected a house
of being a DRUG house because they were using too much electricity
per month. The house here in Texas was using about $300.00 a month
and the police now can watch your electric bill and have the right
to come into your house and inspect it.
> The police arrived at the house, with the drug dog in hand and
knocked on the door. The lady who lived there with her mom and
three kids had to allow them in to her home to search it. HmmMMmmM
a mom, her mom and 3 kids......lots of electricity to run a washer
and dryer all the time, a dishwasher, the stove, oven, hot water
heater and a/c or heater during the winter......$300.00 is not a
high bill to me and I have that many here as well.
> They found nothing, other than a single mom trying to do the best
she could do to raise her children and take care of her mom. She
demanded a written apology but the police would only apologize
verbally and not in writing.
> So anyone who uses too much electricity consistantly be prepared
you might get a visit because of it. Nothing this lady could do
because of the States laws or policies now.
> Gr r r r r r r r
back it up? 30.Mar.2004 17:25


A google news search for "electricity drug texas police" turns up nothing relavant at all. Are you sure this story is true? Are you sure the woman didn't just consent to a search (which seems far more likely than getting a warrant based on an electrical bill)?

But, really, did this ever happened? Misinformed ramblings you recieve in email are NOT FACTS.

"sources" sounds to me like the 30.Mar.2004 17:31


are back! Who gives a shit about "sources" on this story, as it
is the story that matters. It's the trend that is the issue in
the story told. Are you trying to defend the police? Is that
you're motive for demanding "sources"...if so, get lost!

backed up. 30.Mar.2004 17:37


Here, I found the article. It's every bit as dumb as you said it was, you just had some of the facts wrong (most notably, it was in California, not Texas).

Google This 30.Mar.2004 17:44


I typed my own name into Google and found no evidence that I even exist.

I care 30.Mar.2004 17:45


Fuck you, I'm no troll, I'm just tired of getting BULLSHIT MADE-UP INFORMATION via email. Like the one going around recently about how John Kerry's wife owns Heinz? IT'S LIES. The point may be valid (he's controlled by corporate interests) but if you aren't using real facts, it's easy for someone to tell you that you're full of shit... and you AUTOMATICALLY LOSE.

Sources are important for a lot of reasons. The most important is that without them it allows people like me to claim your story is a LIE and you have no way to back it up! Can police get a warrant based on just a utility bill? Apparently they can, because I found a source backing this story up. But try arguing that to someone who isn't already on your side, and they're likely to say "I don't believe you." What are you going to say then? "It's true, I read it in an email!" I can't speak for most people, but I for one wouldn't believe you.

Keep your sources with your story. If you want to be convincing (and not just to people already on your side), they're important, and you can't expect to be believed without them.

what's going on here with 30.Mar.2004 17:48


Who cares whether it took place in California or Texas? It's WHAT took place that is
important it seems to me. Some of you people that grab a keyboard and get on here are
of questionable maturity!

to nobody 30.Mar.2004 17:51


You are not news.

You guys are total morons if you believe everything you read on this site. Seriously. It's not reasonable at all to expect sources on a news story. At the very least a story about a person you KNOW or SAW could be considered credible. But "I heard this thing that has been bouncing around email for a while" is not credible at all! As shown by the fact that several of the facts of this story were incorrect.<p>

but 30.Mar.2004 17:54


<i>It's WHAT took place that is important it seems to me.</i><p>

How do you know if it's even true without a source, though???? Did you hear about how Ralph Nader is opposed to same-sex marriage? Did you hear about how police in Nevada now require you to give blood samples before gambling?<p>

I mean, people on the Internet make things up ALL THE TIME, either for fun, or I don't know why. If you want to see a list of things that people MADE UP, just visit snopes.com and read some of the stuff on there.<p>

That's a lot of laundry 30.Mar.2004 18:00


A Kenmore White 3.1 cu. ft. Electric Extra Large Capacity Washer uses approx. 1.2kWh per load. Pacific Gas and Electric in California has a tiered pricing model, based on usage. Let's assume this family was in the highest tier (5), and pays $0.20 per kWh.

To get a $300 bill in a single month then, you'd need to use around 1500 kWh. That's around 1250 seperate loads of laundry.

That's a lot of laundry.

James is stoopid 30.Mar.2004 18:44

red suspenders

Why don't you do the math on the DRYER. Or just look at the big 240 volt cord as opposed to the small 120 volt cord. Running that thing for an hour is around 5 kwh It has a honking huge heat element. the washer just has a small motor that only runs half the time of the cycle. Also, the typical californian has a tacky all-electric home on a concrete slab with big windows. They use electricity for heat, and worse, to cool their cheaply built oversized houses a 300$ electric bill is pretty standard for some of your typical careless wasteful californicators. she ought to be hassled for wasting energy, not growing anything!

anyways, your using the washer to showcase the power bill shows off 3rd grade math skills and extreme ignorance about energy useage.

Ketchup 30.Mar.2004 18:50

Den Mark

Kerry's wife was married to the late Senator John Heinz, of the Pittsburgh ketchup family. So that much is true.

ketchup 30.Mar.2004 19:23


Yes, but his wife has sold the vast majority of her stock in that company.

John Kerry 'sources' = jerkoff 30.Mar.2004 20:02


John Kerry's first wife was Julia Thorne, a woman from Philadelphia whose family is worth about a half-billion dollars.

stock or no, Kerry's current wife Teresa Heinz Kerry is worth $550 million, and Kerry's own personal fortune is in the neighborhood of $200 - $300 million (some from his previous wife).

Kerry sponsored several ketchup industry promotion bills in the Senate, and is number 2 Senatorial recipient of food industry PAC contributions:
Food & Beverage:
Top 20 Senators

Election cycle: 2004 2002 2000 1998 1996 1994 1992 1990
List Top 20: All Recipients Presidential Candidates Senators Members of the House Senate Candidates House Candidates All Members of Congress

Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK)
Kerry, John (D)
Lieberman, Joe (D-CT)


Wild wife adventures  http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/279913.shtml

Stormy and eccentric, multi-millionaire Teresa Heinz Kerry is not obvious First Lady material. But with her stepdaughters she is helping her husband scoop the Democratic presidential candidacy. Suzanne Goldenberg reports

Thursday February 5, 2004
The Guardian

The "body men", whose job it is to move a candidate through crowds, extract John Kerry and his entourage from the heaving victory party, and propel them towards the television interview room. Only this time, they have left someone behind: Vanessa Kerry, the younger daughter of the Democratic frontrunner, is caught by a surge of hug-seekers and autograph-hunters. "Can you please let me get through to my dad?," she says, tapping at unyielding backs, before erupting in frustration. "Is this the way it's always going to be now?"

Well, yes. "Dad" has just won five of the seven states in contention in the Democratic primary season on Tuesday night, transforming him into a national candidate. Unless he suffers a dramatic reversal of fortunes - and this has been a wildly unpredictable race - Kerry will be the Democratic nominee and will stand against President George Bush in the US elections in November.

If Kerry does go the distance, Vanessa, 27, and her elder sister, Alexandra, 30, will be by his side. Undoubtedly, their stepmother, Teresa Heinz Kerry, will also be making multiple appearances during the campaign, travelling solo in her private plane, the Flying Squirrel.

Americans traditionally take an interest in those who would be their first families, but in this primary season, the home lives of candidates have been on display more than ever before. Wives, children, stepchildren, mothers and brothers have been campaigning on their own, or exerting their influence behind the scenes. Kerry would not be the first divorcÚ to become president, but his "blended" family might be seen as the most unconventional to occupy the White House - unless his handlers succeed in reining in the occasionally volatile Mrs Kerry.

She inherited a fortune worth more than $550m when her first husband was killed in a plane crash. He was a scion of the food empire, as well as a longtime Republican senator who was also thought of as a presidential contender.

Back to January 19 ... Kerry is in Des Moines, Iowa, and minutes away from the victory that launched his drive to the Democratic nomination. As he takes his seat, Vanessa is talking to an aide. Alexandra, the film student, is crouched beside the television camera, and gauges the angles, tapping her shoulders to tell her father not to slouch. He gives a sheepish grin and complies.

Teresa Heinz Kerry is there as well, parrot-green scarf draped over a black trouser suit. As her husband moves around the room, meeting a selected group of campaign supporters, she is the one gently pressing on his elbow, steering him towards the major donors and the local Democratic party grandees.

The supporting role seems slightly strange for her - at least compared to the reputation that has followed her in the US media. She is seen as tempestuous, eccentric, wilful and rich. Much of the evidence for those charges is drawn from a disastrous interview the Kerrys granted to the Washington Post two years ago at home in Washington, DC.

To the reporter's delight, Heinz Kerry had a framed photograph of herself with the late John Heinz in the hall, and did not bother to correct the slip when she referred to him as "my husband". Then she had a blazing row with her living husband Kerry over a Republican from Pennsylvania who insulted the memory of her first spouse.

To Kerry's mortification, she went on to mimic him having a nightmare flashback to his days in Vietnam - beating her head and shouting "down, down, down". She also revealed that he had been in therapy seconds after Kerry tried to deny it.

Since then, Heinz Kerry has enlivened American political debate by revealing that she signed a prenuptial agreement to protect her fortune, threatened to maim her first husband if he was unfaithful, and resorts regularly to Botox.

But here is more to her than the re-circulation of such stories in the media. The daughter of a Portuguese doctor who grew up in colonial-era Mozambique, she speaks five languages, and worked at the United Nations as an interpreter before her marriage. Since her first husband's death, she has played an active role in managing charities worth more than one billion dollars. She has said she plans to continue that work if Kerry is elected.

She is also a seasoned campaigner, having accompanied her late husband through several election cycles. She knows what is expected of her, telling CNN this week that the presidential spouse's first job is supporting her partner. "I mean by that, keep your president strong, healthy, keep them honest. And then, by that I mean, remember who he is in his heart, why he got there, and help him - help him keep his ego inflated or her ego, if they get knocked too much, and deflated a little if it gets too high."

But despite that acute understanding of her situation and role, Heinz Kerry cannot seem to follow Laura Bush's example of steering smilingly away from controversy. Her evident talents do not include a proclivity for standing on stage looking adoringly up at her husband, and smiling, smiling, smiling. On the stage she fidgets or gazes off in the middle-distance, openly bored with the stump speech she must have heard countless times by now. She is not big on smiling, and tenses when her husband moves in for the ritual hug.

Her own turns at public events can be an exercise in suspense. In Iowa, at the defining event of Kerry's campaign, she got on stage to deliver a long and meandering treatise about how the American midwest reminded her of the dorps of South Africa, and how Iowa farmers had an "earthy" view of life. Her husband stood beside her, visibly wincing. In smaller forums, she has been known to hector Democratic supporters about how eating organic can prevent cancer.

Such unscripted moments are the dread of Kerry's campaign handlers. But so far, they appear to be doing no harm, and to the discomfiture of the rightwing press, Americans appear to be taking to Heinz Kerry.

For all her foibles, she shows up the human side to a candidate who desperately needs it. With his thin frame, sepulchral face, and old-fashioned speaking style, Kerry seems cold, a flinty New Englander incapable of connecting to ordinary Americans. His wife makes him seem like a romantic.

The morning chatshows have taken note of their age difference - she is 65 and he is 60 - and their first real date, a moonlit walk to the Vietnam war memorial after a Washington dinner party. There are also approving comments on her loyalty to the memory of her first husband, to whom she was married for 25 years.

Such exhaustive examinations of family life have become routine for American politicians. No matter what changes have affected the workplace and the home over the past decades, American voters expect to see the entire family before they pass judgment on a candidate.

That is what Howard Dean discovered when he tried to break the mould. His campaign for the Democratic nomination began to lose momentum, in part because of speculation about his absentee wife. Judith Steinberg Dean stayed at home in Vermont looking after her medical practice and their two children. She was too busy with her work to campaign, she told reporters, and she did not watch her husband on the stump because she is not that keen on television.

Other candidates have been careful to cultivate an image of happy families. John Edwards has travelled the country with his wife, Elizabeth. She gave up work as a lawyer and in her late 40s underwent fertility treatment to have two more children. (An older daughter is at university. Their first child was killed in a car crash). General Wesley Clark has his wife, Gertie, a non-working military wife, and his outspoken son, Wes Junior.

Kerry has his three women to bring out his human side: Heinz Kerry, Vanessa and Alexandra. All three have often been brought out centre stage at campaign events, oozing the personal warmth that somehow eludes the man in their lives, and softening up the crowds.

At times, the daughters play a double act, joking about their father's attempts to be cool, reminiscing about family holidays. Sometimes, they play back-up to their stepbrother, Chris Heinz, who has natural charisma and seems to have built up a campaign act based on Arnold Schwarzenegger impressions. Of Kerry's two daughters, Vanessa appears far more comfortable with the limelight. A graduate of Yale - like her father - and a medical student at Harvard, she took the year out so she could campaign for him, and has been on a speaking tour of college campuses.

However, Alexandra has also been meeting campaign workers in California, where she lives. She has plenty of admirers in the chat rooms of Kerry supporters who marvel at her ability to hit the campaign trail and complete her film project thesis. (She has a small role in a new David Mamet thriller about two US special agents seeking the missing daughter of a senior government official).

All of this has helped Kerry. Now his success on the campaign trail appears to be helping his wife as well. As he continues his quest from front-running candidate to Democratic nominee, Teresa Heinz Kerry is is in the process of her own, equally public, transformation. At first, she told CNN this week, she had reservations about his candidacy. "I was a little afraid of it. Not a little. It really is an awesome thing," she said. "I made peace with that ... I soldiered behind him."


Disaster of Convenience - John Heinz' Widow Marries John Kerry

sherman skolnick

President Ronald Reagan . . . was implicated in the Iran-Contra situation. . . . funds secretly given to the Iranians were skimmed off to finance the counter-revolutionaries in Nicaragua, to evade the Boland Amendment, prohibiting the U.S. from financing the Contras as they were called.

At the time Daddy Bush, as Vice President, denied he knew anything about this. He said he was "out of the loop" and thus not told what was going on. Later facts brought out by the Independent Counsel showed otherwise. In later years, some Congressmen an d other insiders admitted that they thought about impeaching President Reagan but thought it would be a bad thing for the nation. Working on a report on the Iran-Contra mess was a commission headed by Senator John Tower (R. Texas). For short, it was cal led the Tower Commission. In 1991, when he was unfairly defamed in being rejected by the Daddy Bush Administration for Secretary of Defense, Tower began grumbling he was going to bring out some dirty secrets of the elder Bush then President. Convenient ly, Tower perished with his daughter in an apparent sabotaged plane crash in April, 1991. About the same time, Senator John Heinz (R., Penn.), heir to the Heinz Ketchup fortune was himself snuffed out when his airplane was hit fro! m below by a helicopter. Although some believed it was foul play, others contended the helicopter pilot, examining whether the Heinz plane could not lower the landing wheels, slammed into the plane. Others raised the sinister version that the whirlybir d pilot wanted somehow to commit "suicide". Heinz' widow married Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.), long connected to the American CIA. Senator Kerry in investigating the dope traffic through his subcommittee, conveniently covered up the role of the espion age agency money laundry, Bank of Credit and Commerce International, BCCI, that also financed the campaigns of a group of senators including Kerry.


Please note. Senator Kerry is no sweet angel. He is an expert reputed blackmailer and cover up artist. He is married to the widow of the late U.S. Senator from Pennsylvania, John Heinz, heir to the ketchup and canned beans fortune. Heinz died in a sabotaged plane crash in 1991, just as he was planning to expose U.S. government complicity in several domestic and foreign political assassinations.

As to the infamous BCCI, Sen Kerry himself had a conflict of interest in that he headed a group of U.S. Senators who accepted campaign funds from the worldwide spy-money laundry-murder machine BCCI. Kerry's subcommittee refused to delve into the highly pertinent Chicago branch office of BCCI and their Chicago twin, a branch of Italy's largest bank, owned in part by the Vatican, Banca Nazionale Del Lavoro, BNL. [Suppressed BNL records as to the secret private partnership of the Elder Bush and Saddam Hussein were the subject of my exclusive story, in Spotlight, August 19, 1991, referred to earlier.]

Good God! I think more than the cops are 30.Mar.2004 20:42


Looks to me like somebody has a bad case of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder? How
are you doing with your meds there "sources"? Got enough to hold you?

John Kerry's own wealth (without Teresa Heinz) 30.Mar.2004 21:15


Senate millionaires
John Kerry, D-Massachusetts: $163,626,399
Herb Kohl, D-Wisconsin: $111,015,016
John Rockefeller, D -West Virginia: $81,648,018

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Senate showed once more why it's sometimes called the millionaires' club.

Financial disclosure forms released Friday by the nation's 100 senators show there are at least 40 millionaires among them -- 22 Republicans and 18 Democrats. All but six of them are men.

The top three wealthiest senators are Democrats: John Kerry of Massachusetts, with a net worth of at least $164 million; Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, with a net worth of at least $111 million, and John "Jay" Rockefeller of West Virginia, with an estimated net worth of at least $82 million.

Kerry -- who is running for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination -- is married to Teresa Heinz, heiress to the Heinz food fortune. Kohl's family founded a retail chain and he owns the Milwaukee Bucks basketball team. Rockefeller comes from one of the wealthiest families in the United States.

The numbers are conservative -- base estimates required by the financial disclosure forms. While lawmakers must detail their finances, they are reported in categories with broad ranges. For example, Kerry's estimated net worth, according to the form, ranges from $164 million to $211 million.

Using too much electricity 30.Mar.2004 22:08


Maybe the real news is that a $300 power bill is normal.

The trouble with this country is that the leadership has been too sissy to ask
us to conserve. And certainly too sissy to explain that if we keep using
energy we've got to build more power plants.

Now we're dependant like some kind of helpless little suckling baby on
foreign oil that funds terrorists and like some third world country we can't keep
the lights on in our major cities. It's pathetic. And we're worried about pot growing?


She might cook at home a lot 30.Mar.2004 23:01


She might cook at home a lot for her kids. If you bake something every day, it adds a lot to your electricity bill, but it's still cheaper than eating out.