Contributors to Kucinich website: put up or shut up
Kucinich still hasn't signed the UFPJ Voter Peace Pledge which would bind him to support only pro-peace candidates. Why do you think that is?
Here are some of the many rightfully skeptical comments regarding Kucinich's cynical response to those who have called for him to disassociate himself from Democratic hawks. http://www.kucinich.us/node/1033#comment-661
More Than a One-Man Show?
Submitted by shopathonic on December 20, 2006 - 10:30.
The problem with this Captain Puget's logic is that building an effective antiwar movement is more than a matter of one man getting some air time to talk about withdrawal. It's a matter of building a strong, independent mass antiwar movement with real staying power--one that will not be tethered so thoroughly to the fortunes of one man who will probably support a prowar candidate at the Democratic convention and thus undo all the supposed good he had done in the previous months. We cannot afford increased air time for the antiwar Kucinich through the summer of 2008 at the expense of the dissolution of ALL our efforts at that time if he chooses once again to mount the podium in support of a prowar Democrat, as he did in 2004. We need to find a way to build a movement with staying power, for the distance.
People have to make a choice about the best strategic option for investing their time, energy, and dollars over the coming months. Hitching up to a wagon that will suddenly convert into a prowar conveyance at the Democratic convention is NOT the way to sustain a powerful, independent movement against the war--until and unless Dennis Kucinich is willing and able to assure his followers that there will be no letup and no compromise in his antiwar position after the Democratic convention--and that includes a promise not to lend his personal endorsement--and by implication that of his supporters--to a Democratic presidential nominee who is not forthrightly antiwar. Barring such a promise from Kucinich, all the volunteer efforts invested in his campaign point to a sudden dissolution of antiwar momentum in the summer of 2008. We must think about building a movement that is stronger and larger than the fortunes and political whims of one man. I mean, ferchrissake, he is not even willing to sign on to the United for Peace and Justices Voter Peace Pledge, which states the following: "I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign."
Given Kucinich's caginess about his long-term intentions, I think his supporters must press him hard to sign the UFPJ peace pledge before jumping in with both feet into his campaign--otherwise they risk the same kind of disillusionment they experienced in 2004, when he folded up his tent and gave a ringing endorsement to the prowar Kerry. The only way to pressure Kucinich in that direction is to withhold full support--whether volunteer time or dollars--until and unless he signs the UFPJ Voter Peace Pledge.
Until then, the most productive thing antiwar activists can do is to build the January 27 mass march on Washington, D.C. against the war. More information on that march is available at the following Web site:
a principled position
Submitted by notchomsky on December 20, 2006 - 16:36.
Kucinich: "Because if John Kerry had openly opposed the war in his bid for the Presidency, he would have won the election. The Democrats can't say I did not warn them."
notc: And if you had opposed John Kerry, we would be well on our way to creating a viable alternative to the two-headed corporatist/hegemonist beast.
Kucinich: "When you run in party primary elections, you commit yourself to supporting the nominee."
notc: So you must then leave the party if you cannot morally support the candidate chosen. This is elementary moral logic. If Hitler beats you in a primary, you do not support Hitler because running in the primary binds you ethically to do so.
In other words, there is at least one higher principle than partisan politics.
Supporting whatever pro-war candidate the DLC chooses is not a principled position.
notchomsky, nor are you
Kucinich Should Break Free
Submitted by liesoftimes on December 20, 2006 - 12:37.
This whole idea of "Changing the establishment from within the establishment" was attractive in 2003-2004, but I don't think I can stomach another up-close look at watching a people's candidate get swallowed up by corporate politics. The Democratic Party is compromised. They know they can't hold up in a truly open, public forum. Watch how vigorously they try to remove 3rd party candidates. The epitomy of hypocracy for me was when Democrats in Arizona sued to get Nader off the ballot in 2004.
My favorite philosophy professor described to me at one time the definition of a perversion. It is "something that, by its very nature, does not achieve its goal".
The Democratic Party, by its very nature, does not achieve its goal. To put it another way, the Democratic Party's "stated" goals are not the goals of their contolling interests.
It's unfortunate that such a great candidate like Kucinich will only serve as a "catcher's mit" for the popular struggle that deserves an uncomprised political pathway. Kucinich should re-examine the 10 key values of the Green Party and re-energize the move to get Green ballot status nation-wide.
His last campaign slogan, "Fear ends, hope begins" rings truer now that at any previous moment.
Submitted by caniac4kucinich on December 20, 2006 - 13:31.
I broke from the Democratic Party shortly after hearing both Reid and Pelosi say Impeachment was "off the table".I will support Dennis thoughout the campaign,but if for some reason he doesn't win,I will NOT support the democratic nominee and I hope Dennis will do the same!
Dennis--Sign the "Voters for Peace Pledge"?
Submitted by shopathonic on December 20, 2006 - 00:20.
Here is the Voters for Peace Pledge from United for Peace and Justice, the broad peace coalition that is sponsoring the antiwar march on Washington, D.C. on January 27
We urge you to stand up with other outraged voters and sign the Voters for Peace pledge:
"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign."
All participants on this blog should sign the pledge, and, above all, SO SHOULD YOU, DENNIS.
Here's a link where anyone can sign:
link to www.democracyinaction.org
Simple Statement for Dennis
Submitted by shopathonic on December 18, 2006 - 23:03.
"I, Dennis Kucinich, will under no circumstances endorse a candidate for any office unless he/she supports immediate withdrawal from Iraq."
That's simple enough--Cindy Sheehan and the editors of The Nation magazine have made esssentially that pledge. How about you, Dennis? And if not, why not?
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