Henwood: Slavoj ?i?ek said recently that there might be some reasons to welcome a Trump victory precisely for breaking up that Clintonian, neoliberal order. Do you share any of that feeling of his?
Dean: That's such a hard one. I tell you honestly, I did not think that before the election, but I think that now, going forward, we should adopt that position. Right? I think that's the best way to go forward rather than to revel in our misery. But to say okay now we've got ... what is the old expression from Mao? Right? "Everything is in crisis; the situation is excellent." So, I think we have to proceed as if ?i?ek was right in saying that, and use this as an opportunity. I mean, that's the only way forward. If not, what do we do? We just sit around miserable? That's not going to do anything for us.
? Jodi Dean. Interview by Doug Henwood. Behind the News, KPFA 2016-11-10.